If there’s one thing we’ve learned from the many Republican presidential debates this year, it’s that frontrunners should do their best not to tell the GOP base how it should feel about illegal immigrants.
Yet that’s exactly what Newt Gingrich did during Tuesday’s foreign policy-themed debate on CNN, casting himself as Mr. Dignity when it comes to dealing with the millions of illegal immigrants who’ve been in the U.S. for years.
During a discussion of illegal immigration led by moderator Wolf Blitzer, Gingrich — who Blitzer pointed out voted in favor of so-called “amnesty” legislation in the past — the latest frontrunner for the nomination said clearly that Republicans need to show a little compassion to illegal immigrant families who’ve been living in this country for decades.
Gingrich seemed to know this might cause trouble.
“I’m prepared to take the heat for saying, ‘let’s be humane in enforcing the law without giving them citizenship but by finding a way to create legality so that they are not separated from their families,’” Gingrich said.
His full quote:
I do not believe that the people of the United States are going to take people who have been here a quarter century, who have children and grandchildren, who are members of the community, who may have done something 25 years ago, separate them from their families and expel them. I do believe if you’ve been here recently and have no ties to the U.S., we should deport you. I do believe we should control the border. I do believe we have various penalties for employers, but i urge you to look at the Krieble Foundation plan. The party that says it’s the party of the family is not going to adopt an immigration policy which destroys families who have been here a quarter century. I’m prepared to take the heat for saying, let’s be humane in enforcing the law without giving them citizenship but by finding a way to create legality so that they are not separated from their families.
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While the answer might not raise an eyebrow among Democrats — or many Hispanic voters for that matter — taking a similar tack proved to be a real problem for Rick Perry, who rocketed up to first place in the presidential contest in August only to see all his momentum crushed when he said people who oppose in-state tuition prices for the children of illegal immigrants “don’t have a heart” on the debate stage.
Mitt Romney and other Republicans went on the attack, Perry’s numbers fell, and then he apologized. He’s been trying to distance himself from the moment ever since.
Michele Bachmann jumped on the Gingrich moment within minutes of Gingrich’s answer on stage. “Newt Gingrich’s Open Door to Illegal Immigrant Amnesty,” read a press release from her campaign. In an after-debate pullaside with a CNN reporter she also said, “if you’re legalizing 11 million workers, that sounds like amnesty to me.”
After the debate, Bachmann spokesperson Alice Stewart told TPM that differing with Gingrich on illegal immigrants doesn’t make a Republican a bad person.
“Just because you disagree with the Speaker doesn’t mean you’re on inhumane,” she said. “It’s a policy difference and she’s right on the issue and he’s wrong.”
In an interview after the debate, Gingrich was already on the defensive.
“That is just totally inaccurate,” Gingrich said in response to Team Bachmann’s release.
“What I’ve said is the foundation has a very good program for legalization without citizenship for people who have been here a long time. Now, I’m one — I want to say, go home to lots of people, i between create a border that’s controlled. I want a guest worker program outsourced to American Express or Visa or Mastercard. I want English as the official language of government. I’m willing to be tough but I’m not willing to kid people and i can’t imagine any serious person here in the country who believes we’re going to tear families apart that have been here 20, 25 years.”
After the debate, the Gingrich team didn’t try to spin away the Gingrich line. In fact, if anything, they embraced it. Team Gingrich suggested they’re not worried about going out the same way Perry did as they doubled down on Gingrich’s onstage compassion.
“Newt has a commitment to human dignity,” Tina Ramirez, Gingrich’s National Security adviser, told TPM. “He has that commitment across the board with people around the world, not just with people who are immigrants here in America. He’s supported religious freedom in Egypt for instance, and he’s been speaking out in — if you look at his nine days that change the world in Poland, he talked about the rule of communism was brought down by the understanding of religious freedom and dignity.”
Benjy Sarlin contributed from the spin room.
Evan McMorris-Santoro
Evan McMorris-Santoro has covered politics for TPM since 2009. Before that, he was a reporter at National Journal’s Hotline covering election 2008. He started his career covering local politics at newspapers in TN and his native NC.
Newt Gingrich actually gained a little respect from me, for not sucking up to the fringe on immigration issues.
When Newt goes on one of his Rants, He reminds me of my second wife. He talks his way in the front door and straight out of the back door in one sentence.
right now, collectively, the reublican candidates could not find their asses with both hands, a funnel and spotlight... these asses show the republican party for exactly what it is.. a bunch of out of touch clueless patheitc jokes..
Well, there's the problem – If you publicly acknowledge and support the undiluted demands of your corporate overlords for cheap labor, you run up against the nutbar xenophobia in the rest of the base.
Outsourced to AmEx, Visa or Mastercard?
Is Newt saying that credit card fraud doesn't happen? Does Newt understand that Visa and Mastercard, since they operate as clearing houses rather than actually administering accounts, don't do any fraud detection or prevention themselves? Does Newt understand that to the extent that fraud detection in the credit card industry is successful, it operates based on comparing a new transaction with the full history of the account, and therefore not in a way that lends itself easily to an eVerify? Does Newt know that eVerify *already* outsources identity confirmation?
Does Newt realize that this country has on many occasions torn families apart "that have been here 20, 25 years"?
Does Newt understand that the driver behind the fall of communism in Poland wasn't religion but organized labor?
Does Newt know anything?
If you look at what Newt is actually proposing, it is anything but compassionate. There's nothing compassionate about letting people stay in the country with absolutely no path to citizenship. It's the opposite of compassion. It's a way to create a permanent underclass without the same rights as other U.S. citizens, an underclass that can and will be easily exploited.
If we're going to let people into the country to work here, pay taxes here, and stay here, they should have a reasonable path to citizenship. Anything else is exploitative.
I dislike Gingrich intensely. But when a candidate is at risk from his party for expressing some humanity, well...that says everything you need to know about Republicans, doesn't it?
Haaaa! Newt "showed compassion." He's through.
"...if you look at his nine days that change the world in Poland, he talked about the rule of communism was brought down by the understanding of religious freedom and dignity.”
With a little bit of help from...a labor union. Is Newt a secret "Union Yes!" man?
Well, he said he was probably going to take heat for saying it. They should check to see if he or Calista have an illegal whose beern working for them for 25 years. He seemed to be fixated on 25 years. Down goes, butterball.
<i>“Newt has a commitment to human dignity,”</i>
That's the funniest thing I've read this morning... I think his ex wives would have a bit to say about that...especially the first one he left while she was in the hospital with cancer to go play with #2. And #2 might see it differently since she was dumped high and dry for model #3... seems his commitment to human dignity only goes as far as the press release.
sukabi I see you believe in telling it like it is. ...and I agree. Between your point on his human dignity, my point on the GOPs non-compassion vs. his theme to HAVE compassion and giantmarbels point about the GOPs inexhaustable need for GREED in place of human digity the GOP has unfathomable hypocritical isssues to deal with, when all of these points go conversely and adversely against their whole concept of their value system, be it moral, family or otherwise.
If this is the end of Newt, then who's left. Cain still has sexual scandals and his hysterical Libya tape that's gone viral; Perry is done via "Niggerhead" and his drunk on-state theatrics, as well as "I forgot the 3rd dept I'd abolish; Bachmann has long since been gone....in mind, body and (no) soul; Paul is a dusty, old crone; Romney flips on every single freaking policy topic more than IHOP flips hotcakes.
Newt's hypocritical Contract with America then, must come back to haunt him, specifically, how his compassion theme (which compassion and the real republicans can't be used with today's GOP) doesn't wash with the Tea Party; who cheers vigorously at gay soldiers, seniors dying, unemployed individuals, and illegal immigrants. There is no such thing as compassion in the GOP. Rush and his minions will have you booted.
Newt is pointing out a problem within the Republican Party and our society: the lack of compassion in regard to immigrants but it also applies to how the unemployed, the sick, seniors, and working people are viewd in society. Newt won't say it was supplanted by Greed as a desirable trait and that he had a big role in that change with his "Contract with (corporate) America" days. One can only hope he has had a change of heart.
More on compassion here:
http://www.ted.com/talks/joan_halifax.html
Compassion enhances our lives.
waltermitty2012 leaps from a thread to a falsehood. Mr. McCain's claims were made in the context of the 2011 wildfire season that scorched Arizona which the GAO report explicitly does not address. To give Mr. McCain the very best of it his anti-immigrant comments were untimely and even he backed off his initial claims when forced on the matter.
Are there serious border issues that a great country would find ways to intelligently address. Yes. Were Mr. McCain's inflammatory and unsubstantiated 2011 claims helpful in that regard? Not hardly!
But for folks like waltermitty 2012 who needs facts when one has the truth?
For those interested in facts here is detail on the GAO report.
http://news.yahoo.com/gao-report-links-arizona-wil...
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Why don't people just call this what it is? A proposal for ethnic cleansing.
Remember when McCain blamed illiegal immigrants for starting wildfires in Arizona? He was bashed by the media for that comment. Turns out he was right. The GAO released a report saying that some wildfires were started by illegal, sorry, undocumented immigrants. I'm sure someone at TPM will cover that story.
waltermitty2012 Well, I guess this really is good news for John McCain!
waltermitty2012 ....and what about the bold-faced lie Brewer told about illegal aliens coming across and "beheading" Americans???? Did you PURPOSELY leave that out troll?
OK.....if the illegal immigrants didn't start all of the wildfires.......did the GAO report say who started the other wildfires ?
Newt loves THE OTHERS.....what will THE MORANS say ?
jlover
They'll say, "Buh bye, Newt, thanks for playing!"
"All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others."
George Orwell, "Animal Farm"
I don't care if you've been here a quarter of century or not, illegal is illegal and all illegals should be deported. And if that mean separating families. so be it. Illegals that come here to have babies, they should not be given a birth certificate and deported.
PRO-LIFE AND FAMILY! WOO! preyeselp
preyeselp As detailed in the book, "Three Felonies a Day", by Harvey Sliverglate, the average American citizen commits several indictable felonies every day, just in the course of their normal business. So, I submit to you that YOU are illegal. And since you are illegal, you should be deported. Now if only we can find a country that will accept you...
preyeselp Again we see how the Constitution is just a brand name for conservatives, rather than an actual binding document.
Everyone who's born in the United States is a US citizen, which makes it ILLEGAL to deny them a birth certificate and deport them.
preyeselp I see an idiotic comment like yours and I'm compelled to attempt to make a correction, based on the assumption that you are just painfully misinformed. I'm also inclined to add a reminder for anyone else that your approach defies basic human rights and is cruel and unusual punishment for people who's only sin was try to feed their families by working hard; something the wingnuts seem to feel only they do correctly.
Call it old age or resignation, but I'm beginning to realize that people like you have every opportunity to understand the issues in depth if you really wanted to. Instead, people like you decide to sit on your brains instead of using them, to make up fiction that reduces the world's complexities into easy to digest pieces.
One thing about the internet; I've learned how absolutely ignorant and useless so many people are and why we have such a hard time with the progression toward a more advanced and peaceful society.
KateNH preyeselp Agree with everything you say, but there is also the logistics involved in actually detaining and deporting the 11 or 12 million undocumented aliens currently in this country. I'd love to hear how the party of less government proposes to do that, exactly. Will FEMA camps be involved?
commie-atheistKateNHpreyeselp There's plenty of for-profit prison operators who'd love the contract. Maybe they could team up with Xe to do the actual arresting, and if anyone gets gratuitously pumped full of lead, well, who cares about furnurs anyway?
There's a bit of a dilemma here for right wingers. If one truly believes in free markets, then one ought to support the idea that every human being is free to live where they choose, regardless of artificial national boundaries. In that world view, if one wished to be consistent, one should regard immigration laws are just another government intrusion. Besides, I'm not sure that it is economically sustainable to allow unbridled free-flow of financial capital, while at the same time imposing onerous restrictions on the flow of human capital.
If you truly believe in free markets, you should also support the right of businesses to hire anyone they damn well please. Why do Republicans hate business? Don't they know that their job-killing policies of forcing companies to hire expensive Americans and legal immigrants is going to drive the economy into the ground? radicalrealist
radicalrealist
Excellent! There is a fundamental contradiction in our trade polices. We allow for the free flow of capital across boarders without any restriction but on the other side of the equation, labor, we place onerous restrictions.
Let's be consistent at least. Either allow labor to go to the best jobs or place tariffs on imports.
Either approach would drive up wages in the US.
radicalrealist No dilemma. They're infinitely capable of ignoring cognitive dissonance.
"Let's be humane" is never going to fly with teabaggers. They gave up empathy about the same time they decided that using your intellect is evil. "Humane"? They have trouble just coming across as human!
Frontrunner Flubimania?
I don't know any mother or father that really believes in family values that would ever leave their children behind. It's strictly the choice of these illegal aliens to abandon their children, tearing their own families apart. The U.S. is not tearing families apart!
So you want US citizens to go live in a foreign country because their parents do not have citizenship? Just go Cheney yourself. Estoban
reddy6ueEstoban To uproot themselves from established homes and school districts...
Handy Love the Kim Jong Il shades.
newt`s a demoncrat in a R.I.N.O. suit- S o ... glad he exposed himself for the global warming , Freddy Mac $$$ stealing , New World Order , Worthless Eater , THREAT TO 0UR CONSTITUTION. . . that he is !!!
Let`s see ? , the LONGER an illegal alien has been in 0UR country & the more LAWS they`ve broken ? & 0r ANCHOR BABIES birthed 0r fathered @ TAXPAYER expense the more newt & co. can relate !
"byrds 0f a feather" ! ! !
***F.E.M.A. camps for illegals & DANGEROUS POLITICIANS*** like newt , perry etc.!
CALL -OUR- Congress @ 866 220 0044
DEMAND -OUR- IMMIGRATION LAWS BE ENFORCED !
E-verify -ALL- JOBS & GOV`t. PROGRAMS- />Section-8 , welfare , foodstamps , wic. etc.!
287g- />NATIONWIDE TO FIND & DEPORT -ALL- illegal aliens !
ATTRITION THROUGH ENFORCEMENT !
SEND-- />"FREE FAXES" to -OUR- congress @ NumbersUSA.c 0r CapsWeb.o !
Call I.C.E. @ 866 347 2423 to REPORT illegal aliens & THEIR EMPLOYERS !
-ALL- illegal aliens from -ALL- COUNTRIES & the "POLITICIANS that help them" ARE "CRIMINALS" !
visit- /> AmericanPatrol.c - OutRagedPatriots.c - Ojjpac.o !
google- /> Work in the states build a life in Mexico -> To see that BETTER LIFE !
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