Santorum: ‘Science Should Get Out Of Politics’

@zenzane There is nothing in the Constitution mandating the seperation of Church and State. The only thing prohibited is an official state church.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". Sound familiar? maxjong zenzane

jim you just proved maxjong's point.

It was Jefferson who coined the famous phrase distilling the first two clauses of the 1st Amendment into "wall of separation between church and state." Louie Arbs

@jloomis3 And you are a bigot. You paint religion with a broad brush as to what you think. You are a hypocrite.

@maxjong - it's only because no large paint roller was available. Religion should have no place in politics, public education, policy development. It's not based on fact, repeatable observation, reason. Religion exists to control the actions of the masses in order to benefit those in power. Science simply guides us logically toward a greater understanding of our world & universe.

just like the promotion of global warming as an immediate danger. especially considering that 3 big factors- cloud cover and water vapor- cannot be modeled with our current understanding and arent expected to be modelable for another 10 to 20 years. climate change- it used to be called global warming or global cooling depending on which generation of fearmongers youre quoting- is a prime example of politics determining science. examine what happens when findings are found that dont mach to what the talking points are. the data is adjusted so it falls within the acceptable range of results that will continue their funding no crisis = no funding.. the most recent warming pattern has actually been attributed to humans good enviromental stewardship of the past 30 years. we have been cleaning up the atmosphere from the late 1800s and early 1900s. by removing many of the pollutants that were blocking sunlight (heat) from entering our atmophere we have reversed the cooling trend those pollutants were creating and started a warming pattern. so it those terms yes cc is man made.

Louie Arbs So you're voting for Santorum, eh?

@realthog not at all. i dont want people dictating my personal behavior from any party. thats not governments role. i think republicans are right on economic issues and i tend to support democrats on social issues. i think that the economic issues we face vastly outweight the social issues.

just because something is possible does not mean it should be done.

Louie Arbs True, but this has exactly zero relevance to the subject under discussion. Are you a real person or a Koch Bros bot?

@realthog totally real person. i am about as much of a kock bot as you are a soros bot. it has plenty of relevance. just look back at the first progressive era when eugenics was popular. now there is so much of a push for further control over our lives by fearmongering global warming. climate scientists routinely change their results if they stray from what is considered the norm. the norm is defined by the politicians that provide their funding. i.e. tell us what we want to hear so we can push our agenda forward or we will cut your funding and give it to someone else that will.another example of this is with the federal cell phone ban they are pushing. do some research and you will se how they are artificially raising the signifigance of cell phone use while driving. do your own empirical evidence and pay attention to how your own cell phone use affects your driving. i spent 5 years as a route driver and logged over 1,000,000 miles on the road during that period. i constantly used my phone for calls and texts. not only did i never have anything close to an accident, admittedly one day i was speeding and didnt notice the cop for about 5 min, i never witnessed one either.

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@Hamshire Bartleman Nice to see the left returning to what it promoted in the early days of Progressivism and Nazi Germany.

You don't really know much about Nazi Germany, do you? maxjong@hamshire

mdhattem I completely agree, if idiots like this had it their way, then we'd still be sitting at the mouth of a cave beating one rock with another and trying to figure out how to eat it.

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The real question is why are they scared of science?

That pretty much sums it up. Well said. Sean O'Riordan

@Iain Mck That’s plain silly.

The “Dark” Ages were brought on by the collapse of classical civilization under the onslaught of waves of barbarian invasion from without and cultural and political decay within. After Rome fell, the Church was the only institution of civilization left to organize society. In the centuries following the Fall of Rome, the Church not only civilized the Germanic tribes, but they forged them, along with the remnants of Rome to form a new European civilization. It wasn’t a period of religion stifling human progress, it was a time when the Church saved Europe from cultural collapse. The reason they were called the “Dark Ages” has nothing to do with the Church obstructing human progress; it has to do with the decline in literacy that left us with few written documents from that time. It is a reference to our own ignorance, not that of our ancestors.

@Chesire. Essentially, I agree with you. It was more of a conflict between Woden and Thor vs. JC and the Apocalyptics. But the learning that the Church chose to preserve was seriously deficient in the science and history of the Greco-Roman world. And we must not forget that much of this science, medicine, philosophy and technology did not die out in the Byzantine Empire, and in the Muslim world of Iberia and in the Sultanates of Mesopotamia. It was the discovery of the preserved Greek, Hebrew, and Arabic learning of Iberia, places like Toledo, after Iberia was over-run by Crusaders of Castille and Aragon, that touched off the Renaissance.

It is not entirely clear that the Germanic Tribes were successfully civilized. CF 30th century. Chesire@iain

Chesire@iain

The church rode the back of civilizing forces; leveraged and manipulated them, filling power vacuums where it could and fought with itself.

A great deal more information is available. Here is some:

The Early Middle Ages span roughly five centuries from 500 to 1000.[38] During this period, most of Europe was Christianised, and the "Dark Ages" following the fall of Rome took place. The establishment of the Frankish Empire by the 9th century led to the Carolingian Renaissance on the continent. Europe still remained a backwater compared to the rising Muslim world, with its vast network of caravan trade, or India with its Golden Period under the Gupta Empire and the Pratiharas or China, at this time the world's most populous empire under the Song Dynasty. By AD 1000, Constantinople had a population of about 300,000, but Rome had a mere 35,000 and Paris 20,000. Islam had over a dozen major cities stretching from Córdoba, Spain, at this time the world's largest city with 450,000 inhabitants, to central Asia.

[edit]Feudal ChristendomMain articles: Holy Roman Empire, Charlemagne, Caliphate of Córdoba, Bulgarian Empire, Medieval England, Medieval Hungary, Medieval Poland, and Kievan Rus'Pope Hadrian I asks Charlemagne, King of the Franks for assistance against invasion in 772

The Holy Roman Empire emerged around 800, as Charlemagne, king of the Franks, was crowned by the pope as emperor. His empire based in modernFrance, the Low Countries and Germany expanded into modern Hungary, Italy, Bohemia, Lower Saxony and Spain. He and his father received substantial help from an alliance with the Pope, who wanted help against the Lombards. The pope was officially a vassal of the Byzantine Empire, but the Byzantine emperor did (could do) nothing against the Lombards.

@Neocles Serafimidis Yes because science, which brought us eugenics and pollution is so great and should be worshipped...

Santorum isn't the front runner because he's damaged goods. The whole "Spreading Santorum" thing Dan Savage brought about as payback when Santorum made a series of EXTREMELY VILE homophobic remarks, effectively destroyed his political career and got him kicked out of Congress.

His running for the Presidency is largely a vanity project he has engaged in to try and get back into the public eye and get people to feel sorry for him, because he got kicked in the nuts by the very people he hates and wants to destroy.